Thursday, August 20, 2009

A little more with Mike Erre...

Part II of Mike and I's interview is up RIGHT NOW... click here to check it out. Also, during the interview, we talked about women in ministry for a bit (one of my favorite topics), but I didn't publish that whole conversation on CIC, because it didn't really have anything to do with the book. So I will publish the rest here on my blog, for you readers who are interested. Mike has some great things to say!

CA: Are there any other books in the workings?

ME: I'm working on a book about the Bible right now, and how understanding the Bible as one unified story, and unless you see it as that you misunderstand the individual parts. I'm excited about that.

CA: I feel like everything you write about is stuff that I'm really passionate about knowing!

ME: Then I will keep consulting with you on book ideas!

CA: Can the next one be about women in ministry?

ME: YES! And how we need more of them, which is such a cool issue. The early church would have never asked that question. Paul of course in 1 Corinthians and in 1 Timothy really cautions against violating cultural norms because his teaching which was from Jesus that there is no male or female or Jew or Greek was revolutionary. Nobody in the 1st century was saying that.

But certain women were so zealous in their new freedom, they would actually go way overboard. So you have Paul appealing to head coverings, not teaching as elders, and keeping silent, you know. Lots of debates about what all that stuff means, but at the very least we know he's correcting abuses. That's all he's doing. He's not declaring norms. The norm is, there is no male and female. Those distinctions are rendered irrelevant in the kingdom of God.

CA: [Rock Harbor has] a little different take . . . how you put women as “directors,” would you call them "directors" or "pastors"?

ME: We call them pastors, we call them directors … some of our best managers, directors, and pastors are women. Of course! God gave spiritual gifts regardless of gender. We do operate under the conviction that headship is a biblical concept and because there are parallels drawn between the church and the home, we understand headship to be very sacrificial, to be one of the ways that God demonstrates love to people, and an order. So we have elders, that are guys, but they serve in spiritual oneness with their wives. We have one elder meeting where the guys meet, and we have one where the couples meet. We distinguish between gifts and offices, and we try to push the boundaries on where we think the scripture gives us real permission for a woman to exercise her gifts as many ways as possible. We believe women can teach, absolutely, under the headship of the elder board; they should serve in any capacity they're gifted in, absolutely.

So I'm a fan. Just look at what Jesus did. He broke every single stereotype; just ridiculous. Paul gets such a bad rap, but he was a revolutionary too.

CA: So that's your next book! Thank you so much.

ME: Great to meet you, Carrie, I'm honored. Thank you for your encouragement!

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