Wednesday, October 22, 2008

Obama and the Abortion Issue

The following are some very interesting articles that have to do with Obama and Abortion. 

The first is an interview with Donald Miller about his view of Obama's stance on abortion. Here is an excerpt:

"Burnside: Can you lay out your biggest reasons for supporting Barack Obama?

Donald Miller: First off, I know this is an odd thing for somebody in my position to do, to support a candidate for President. But I do feel this candidate is unique. Barack is the only candidate willing to talk about his faith in Jesus. Other candidates are reluctant, but Obama is not. He is the only one who has consistently talked about the cross, about redemption, and about repentance. Many white evangelicals have a misconception about Barack...they believe that because he is a Democrat, he cannot be a Christian. But times have changed, culture has changed, and political parties change. So one of the reasons I support Barack is because he is my Christian brother, and other Christians are rejecting him.

But that has little to do with his candidacy. In short, there are a few issues I agree with Barack on.

Senator Obama is going to move us past the impasse in our cultural war, something I think of as a cultural Vietnam. On the issue of abortion, he is the only candidate who has a plan to reduce the number of abortions. John McCain's only plan is the same old trick: say that you are pro life and offer no plan at all other than to criminalize abortion. I simply think that plan hasn't worked, and we have to face that fact and look for other ways to make progress.

I realize this is controversial, that there are many who would rather vote for a pro-life candidate and keep the abortion rate the same, on principle. And like them I believe in the sanctity of life, I simply think we need to begin making progress, and Barack is offering progress. He is also standing up to his own party on the issue and moving the party forward to elevate the issue of the sanctity of life within the Democratic Party. I also see this as progress. I do wish we could end abortion completely, but the Republicans have not spelled out a realistic plan to do so, and until they do, I won't vote for a candidate who simply throws us a pro-life line and no plan. It seems insincere.

But let me add this: I do wish Obama were pro-life. His plan to reduce the rate of abortion is a great step for the party, but I also wish he would defend the unborn to a greater degree.

However, at this point, in this election, with these two candidates, I think progress will be made with Barack. Not enough progress, but some progress, especially within the Democratic party, who may soften their stand on the sanctity of life.

A personal connection with me regarding Obama involves the initiative he is taking with responsible fatherhood. He has already drawn up legislation to change the welfare state to stop rewarding families whose fathers leave, and is working to change the economic structure so fathers who stay with their families are given tax relief. This has been an age-old problem that was written about in George Gilder's book Sexual Suicide. (Gilder's) book is a Conservative's economic manifesto, but Barack sees a lot of value in Gilder's ideas. But because Barack is a Democrat, Conservatives are unable to even consider his ideas."

The second article is written by a reporter for the LA times. She is Catholic, and she is also supporting Obama. Here is an excerpt:

"...Some might ask, isn't John McCain, the self-proclaimed "pro-lifer," still a morally superior choice for Catholics? Not necessarily. McCain's commitment, as he stressed in the debate, is to try to reverse Roe vs. Wade. But Republicans have been after this for decades, and the effort has not saved a single child. Even if Roe were reversed -- unlikely, in my judgment -- it merely transfers the question to the states, most of which are not expected to ban abortion. A Catholic serious about preserving life could reasonably find Obama's educational and material assistance to mothers the practical, stronger alternative..."

**I am not trying to convince you to vote for Obama...I am just wanting to encourage you to think logically about the abortion issue...and only the abortion this post...


Andrew Faris said...

You had to know I'd weigh in on this one. I have one thought: one the heck is Obama's plan to reduce abortion? I'd refer you to the Robert P. George article I linked to last week.

Obama has voted so incredibly consistently against even the slightest pro-life bill (include the Infants Born Alive Act) that I just don't know how it makes sense to think he wants to reduce abortions.

Regarding McCain's being pro-life and trying to overturn Roe v. Wade, much of the reason that this is important now is because of supreme court justice appointments, which there will likely be (it's feasible that there could even be 4!). The president can't just change the abortion laws. The supreme court is the most important way a president can do something about this. That's why it's important to me.

Bethany Pee said...

I'm pretty sure that Obama has made it clear to us that he does not agree with abortion. Just because he's a democrat and he isn't pro-life, does not mean that he has no moral issues. We all know that whether or not abortion is allowed, it will still be done!! Having the option available doesn't necessarily mean that there will be more abortions. I think the most important thing is focusing on reducing teen pregnancies and doing more work on informing women of the effects(all around) of abortion, which IS possible. Taking time to provide teens with vital information is far more effective to them hearing they just simply can not do something. Abortion would happen regardless, people are desperate, to think it won't happen at all is stupid. Not having the choice to have it done "safely", but being desperate is far worse than having the option there!

The Orchard Christian Church said...

This interview was extremely insightful. As a pastor, I want to be very careful not take sides with a political party or endorse political canditates from the pulpit. But I also do see that many boundries and categories have changed.

Based on what I have seen, I believe that Obama is a born again Christian, even though he has the "wrong" positon on a number of issues. He was married once, is still married to his wife, and has been faithful as far as we know. He was a regular member of a church until recently. He seems to act like a Christian.

I do not believe that McCain is a born again Christian- or if he is, he is ashamed of it. He has the "right" position on a number of issues. But from what I understand, after he claimed he became a Christian (not before), he committed adultery and divorced his first wife, then married a billionaire who was 17 years younger than him. He has not been a regular member of any church as far as I know. I believe he had been Episcopal, and that he goes to a Baptist church occasionally.

As a pastor who preaches Bible based sermons, I am extremely concerned about McCain's behavior this year in the election. In the Republican nomination battle against born-again former paster Mike Hukabee, McCain accepted the endorsements of two pastors, John Hagee and Ron Parsley- whom McCain referred to as his "spiritual mentor", I believe. A few months later, McCain publicly dumped them and refused their endorsements as if they were criminals, Nazis, or KKK members. Their crimes? Teaching from the Bible that homosexuality is sin, and offering a Biblical explanation of how God brought good out of great evil in the Holocaust of the Jews under Hitler, in recorded sermons they gave in their churches in the past. No man teaches the Bible perfectly or understands the Bible perfectly, not even pastors. McCain didn't have to agree with every word they said. I don't agree with every word that these pastors have ever taught. But based on my understanding of the Bible, I would preach the same truths that McCain dropped these pastors for preaching. McCain took a big step toward censoring pastors sermons, and he is Republican. I will not endorse political parties or candidates or tell people how to vote. But if McCain doesn't want my support, I personally will vote for someone who does.

Anonymous said...

Actions speak louder than words. Do we vote for someone, because he says he's a Christian? "He seems to act like a Christian." As a Believer, I don't want to act like a Christian, but I want to strive to be Christ-like. I want to choose a leader who will support values that are honoring to God...not only in terms of his/her own beliefs but will choose others, i.e. Supreme Court Justices, to uphold those values. The issue is so much bigger than "he's still married to the same woman". Oh, he wants to "reduce abortion". I guarantee that the most pro-choice (a.k.a. pro-abortion) individuals want to reduce the number of abortions. Let's not be naive...too many Christians are trying to be "relevant", and this is evident in the political arena. Rev. 3 addresses the "lukewarm" church. Take a stand. I can't support someone who wants to "reduce abortions". This isn't about the safety of women or exercising their right to choose. Read Psalm 139...this is about saving lives. Again...don't be naive...don't be relevant...don't be lukewarm.

Bethany Pee said...

so voting for Obama is being "luke warm"? Who people vote for has nothing to do with their PERSONAL walk with the Lord. Personal as in no one should be judging some else's walk.

Anonymous said...

Mr. orchard christian church,

I always find it interesting when people take great care in stating that they don't want to endorse a political candidate and that they want to remain neutral proceed to make comments that make it clear which candidate they are endorsing. People are not stupid. It's called reading between the lines!!! Having an opinion is fine pretending that your neutral is annoying.

Anonymous said...

Your words, "so voting for Obama is being "luke warm"?"...reread the statement. You missed the point. Your walk is personal, but remember your choices, your lifestyle are a reflection of your faith. If your faith is in Christ, your choices should reflect Christ-like values. Political choices included. Again, Psalm 139 makes it clear how God views the issue of abortion. You also said, "Abortion would happen regardless, people are desperate, to think it won't happen at all is stupid. Not having the choice to have it done "safely", but being desperate is far worse than having the option there!" So, murder happens anyway, perhaps we don't need that to be outlawed either. We just need to educate people about how murder hurts people! Again, the church is trying to be "socially relevant". Take a stand.

Bethany Pee said...

first of all, endorsing and defending a candidate are two completely different things.

secondly in the end it's not the lesser of two evils here, they both suck and either way the United States is going down hill.

Carrie said...

Wow. So much tension on my blog here...yikes.

First off...lets keep everything nice on here please.

Secondly, I want to make it clear that John McCain has not promised that he will appoint supreme court judges who will overturn Roe vs. Wade. In the last debate, he said he would appoint them based on their "credentials". The moderator was reeeally trying to push him to say exactly how he felt about the abortion issues, and he said that he wanted to leave the decision to the "individual states". Because of this, and where Obama stands, I TRULY believe with everything in me that we will see less abortion with Obama as president.

I agree that our choices should be based on our faith, but I think we can leave room for people to believe that a vote for Obama is one based on the Christian faith.